The future appears to be global, and if we want to thrive there, the concept of “pure evil” has to be discarded. As fuel for hostility, nothing is more combustible. After 9/11, angry mobs massing in Baghdad against the U.S. weren’t just seen as unemployed young Arab males — they became symbols of unrepentant hatred, while jihadists became evil monsters with no regard for innocent lives. The more evil we projected onto “them,” the aliens threatening our safety, the less human they became. If the future becomes global, however, projections of pure evil have no breathing room anymore. Everyone is becoming our neighbor, and with the dissolving of borders, everyone must be seen as human, however angry and extreme their actions.
I think the loosening grip of the Satan myth is a touchstone for change. Two weeks ago I participated in a televised debate on the existence of Satan. Some speakers were still firmly holding on to the traditional image of Satan as a supernatural demigod, rival to the real God, arch enemy of human happiness, and at the most basic level, a personage one can meet face-to-face. Yet whenever I or someone else on my side of the debate suggested otherwise — that evil is rooted in human behavior, that foisting evil off on a mythical figure was a copout from taking responsibility for our own bad impulses — there were positive reactions from the audience.
This and many other signs indicate that Satan is on the wane. We are in the aftermath of the age of faith; church attendance has been steadily declining in the U.S. and Europe for decades. As part of this religious waning, Satan has also declined. So much so that it’s hard to remember a time when educated, free-thinking people reserved at least a tiny, secret corner where belief in Satan — or pure evil — resided.
More importantly, a positive kind of spirituality has arisen that doesn’t need Satan. He is necessary in the battle for souls that pits good against evil in the scheme of Christianity. Without the threat of damnation, the incentive for salvation is severely weakened. But many cultures have had no need for absolute evil, including the Greeks, Romans, Hindus, and Buddhists. Quite often these cultures had supernatural explanations for bad events (e.g., demons, imps, mischievous and capricious gods), and it is almost universally believed that the afterlife will be different for evildoers and the virtuous. An innate sense of fairness makes it hard to think that wrongdoing doesn’t eventually arrive at a just punishment. But millions of people who reject religion or pay it almost no attention lead perfectly well-adjusted lives without the threat of Satan hanging over them.
Of course, there were still some boos when I called Satan a primitive aspect of human belief, tearful pleas for me to come into the light, and even not so veiled suggestions that I was doing the Devil’s work. I came away from the debate saddened by the testimonials from fervent believers who claimed to have met the Devil personally or to have barely escaped the fires of damnation. But Satan has lost a lot of his mojo nonetheless. In an age where serial killers are labeled as psychopaths rather than agents of sin, we can examine contributing factors like child abuse, peer pressure, mental disorders, impaired brain function, and other things that fall under the rubric of sick rather than evil. The study of psychology, long rooted in aberrant behavior and neurosis, is itself shifting. The new field of positive psychology has begun to establish what makes people happy instead of what makes them unhappy. This is an important distinction, because instead of being one step away from divine punishment — as everyone must be if all are sinners — we could be one step away from the happiness that is our birthright. In the aftermath of Satan, the expansion of well-being promises to replace the eternal battle between good and evil, which only served to make evil more powerful than it has any right to be.
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Aurora,
Thank you for your response. Let me see if I understand you. There is a lot of
emotion in your writing and many assumptions about the world that
I believe you need to spend some time working out.
For instance,
you stated, “like every parent I give them my best” parents don’t give
their children the best. I know I’m a public school teacher and the parents
are failing their children. The children are not protected from the evils
of this world. Sometimes school is the only relief from an evil parent. But, I’m sure
you didnt mean to say every parent.
You’ve mentioned distorted love a few times. Where does this distortion
originate from?
You mentioned that children are beings of perfect love. I agree. Christ said
that we are to be like children. And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted,
and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 18:3)
But, are they automatically LOVED PERFECTLY? I can give you about 40 examples
of students in my classes that are barely loved. Let alone Perfectly. Your kids are the
blessed ones.
I had trouble understanding your first paragraph. Correct me if I’m wrong but, it appears
as if you alluded to the fact that children sometimes act outside their nature
and behave badly due to a distorted love. I would argue that they are acting
in a rudimentary instinctual level depending on the age level of the child
and it is your duty as a parent to speak plainly about right and wrong. When the
child ask Why? they are being punished, you want to be ready with something a little
more concrete than your love is distorted and I don’t blame you for your actions but,
we need to get in touch with your good energy.
From there, you further alluded
to the fact that some believers in Satan may use this as a tool to control
the little ones. If you don’t shape up you’re going to Hell and Satan is waiting for you.
Is this what you are saying?
If this is what you are saying, I’m sure some parents have used this as a tool but,
it really is irrelevant to our discussion of the existence of Satan.
I am also certain that many children raised in Christian homes have been taught
the relief you spoke of earlier and are NOT now cowering in the corner filled with terror.
That relief is that through the perfect love of Christ Jesus he protects you and covers you.
Isn’t this really our only example of perfect love?
Isn’t Christ the most perfect example of non-distorted love we have? Most people would
agree that Jesus’ character is spotless.
You stated that you are teaching your children that some actions have consequences. Good!
So do I. I also teach mine that we are fallen creatures and there is a moral law that
it written on our hearts. I teach mine that we are to follow the guidance of Jesus. The
only being never to have sinned or acted out “distorted love”.
When my Child observes a piece of candy and further observes that nobody is around
to say “no” she hears two voices one telling her that this is candy and i’m a kid so eat it up.
The other voice says, obey your parents and deny myself of the treat.
Inevitably, my child chooses the cookie and listens to the guidance of her heart. She gets in
trouble and loses a privilege. Unfortunately, the guidance of her heart let her down. Our
hearts are selfish! Our hearts are prideful. Our hearts are deceitful. If you believe in a creator
and that this is a good creator then what must this creator think of our behavior? We must
be acting in a way that is contrary to its nature. Since we are its creation then we must be
in rebellion.
Aurora when all your attempts at perfect love fall desperately short in this lifetime, what will you
look forward to? Because, when you compare yourself to genuine love like that of Christ Jesus
you will see how your garments are filthy rags compared to the purity of Jesus.
You said that we are all love right now. We are not. I am not. I am a created being with a soul
and body sustained by the love of our creator. Our creator has clued us into what he expects
of us. Our creator has offered us his son to pay the price for our sins. If we accept this offer
and repent we may stand with Jesus and be washed clean of our sins. We have been
given free will and we have rebelled with this freedom. Jesus gives us an opportunity to
come home. Don’t reject that offer.
Heaven is a real place. God sees the heart of man. I cannot see your heart. But, if it’s
like mine it is rarely pure. I wonder why God would create such an internal conflict between
what I want to do and what I ought to do. The explanation in the bible make a lot more
sense to me than Deepak Chopra. He really offers no explanation for centuries of
love distortion. I need relief from sin. Jesus offers more than relief he offers eternal salvation.
Happy Easter!
Casey
Dear Renata,
I’m glad you know about the Alliance for a New Humanity, let’s connect there! I hope you
also know about the Vow of Nonviolence movement on http://www.itakethevow.org .
Happy Co-Creating!
Love, aurora
Dear Casey,
It’s really a pleasure to converse with you and I wish we could sit in my garden now, sharing
a cup of tea and some of these delicious cookies my daughter has made
We would have a lot to talk about and maybe a lot of smiles to share.
I’d like to tell you what I see …I see that you are trying to understand me. You are noticing
my emotions. You are wishing me a happy celebration. You wish me to find salvation- which
means you truly wish me well. Where does all this come from? Not from you? Do you not wish
me well, and does not your heart feel great when we can understand each other in depth,
when we seek and find harmony with each other?
Why would you call yourself a fallen creature? I know very well that you do not express your
love in what you consider a perfect way at all times, neither do I … but… in the very center of
our heart, we both do love. We do want to love. We do know how good love feels, and we seek
the perfection of that love. All of us are expressing this core in us as well as we can, and if we
are born as beings of perfect love, as you agree that we are… that has not changed just
because we have grown to be parents and teachers and wives and coworkers… We have
just forgotten who we are, under a heap of other things our minds consider more important.
I agree with you that most of us parents do not give our children THE best, but we always give
OUR best, the best we can give at the moment. If we carry a lot of pain, troubles, fear, anger,
grievances in our heart… we can only give a little love. It is understandable. I wish we would
all work on healing our painful emotions and memories, our judgments of self and others,
the debris that keep us away from the perfect love we all want to express.
Dear Casey, in essence, your view and my view of human beings are different. I don’t see
them as better or worse, just different. If I may attempt to summarize your view
(I hope you forgive and correct any misunderstanding), it might be that you see us in the grip
of evil, needing to fear our own drives, needing to be dictated what is good and what is bad
by an authority outside of us, in need to repent and be saved by someone, the only one, who
knows Pure Love. Naturally, you then direct your attention and hope to this someone outside
of you.
My view (and experience) is that our essence is and has always been love, that we can trust
our hearts with all the guidance we need at every step, if we learn to listen and understand
them well. That as soon as we do not heed the true and wise guidance of the heart, we will
experience and create pain- our whole body will give us signals of discomfort. If we keep
recreating that pain, we will get stuck in suffering, which is the same as hell. My experience is
also that if we have arrived in a place of suffering, that doesn’t mean we are bad or evil… it just
means that there is room for better contact with our own heart. Suffering/hell can and will
be dissolved with self-understanding and self- love, because the selfish, prideful and deceitful
sides of us are just natural, good traits which we have repressed and judged, and which have
become exaggerated and distorted. The love, forgiveness, guidance and salvation we seek are
all in the center of our own hearts. To me, Jesus is the brilliant and amazing example of a
human being who has found this perfect love inside himself, who has faced and healed all
of himself, and who continues to inspire us all to keep remembering who we are.
Dear Casey, again, these are two views that reflect our respective journeys. If we keep asking
the big questions and never get stuck in a fixed mental theory of how things are, but observe
what is true in the moment, I am sure that our experience will continue to bring us closer
to perfect love.
I wish you happiness! And a very Happy Easter
love, aurora
I am mainly addressing this comment to Mr. Chopra but I am sure that Christians will
feel like that need to reply. I don’t mind at all but I am truly happy, blessed and enlighten since
I gave up Christianity. My life is BETTER. My relationship with God is STRONGER. I have
always (especially as a child) thought that the devil was not real. It takes so much strength
to go with your gut when every body around you is closed minded and believe that their way
is the only way and anything else…well, you are going straight to hell. I respect their experience.
But mine path to enlightenment is different, beautiful and I have never been this happy. In my
experience to know who God truly is, life has a whole new meaning. Anyway, just wanted to
thank Mr. Chopra for his courage to speak of his experience in a world of people who despise
his message because they were raised to believe differently. I thought that this blog would be
more about connecting with people that share similar experience, instead, the non-believers
are overflowing!
What do you think of Jesus? Aurora.
Have you read the Bible? Are you familiar with the evidence supporting the resurrection?
I’ve read Elkhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer etc… I was raised in a New Age home.
I use to think about how I’d like to live my next life. My mother was very hurt by an
experience she had when she was involved in church. I’m sure she vowed never
to set foot in one again. She gravitated to the New Age where you could speak about
love and tolerance and glaze over Justice and evil by claiming she was paying for sins
from a past life. But, she had no real evidence for her beliefs. She was going on
pure emotion and what felt good. She claims that she cannot fathom a god that would
send someone to hell. I certainly can believe that someone is so rebellious that
no matter what offer they are given they will reject it. They in fact are choosing
to separate themselves eternally from God.
I can’t remember the title but it was a very interesting book Deepak wrote about healing
yourself at the cellular level and possibly reversing the aging process. I actually thought
that with enough practice I could do this. But, I soon discovered that it was merely a
distraction from the work God was calling me to do.
There is a fundamental problem between the two of us. We both can’t be right! If I’m
right and there is a consequence for our sin then you will be hurt by that. If you are
right and I am wrong then I am missing out on the love energies of this world.
So we must come to some conclusions in our search. We have enough
evidence around us to make some clear decisions on the nature of our
existence. God has so created us in his image that we may comprehend our
selves in time and space. Deepak Chopra often says that we should embrace
our own uncertainty. But, we should embrace also what is certain. When he
awakes he is certain of gravity and relies on it in fact. 2 + 2 = 4. All truth is not
relative. We make judgments based on experience and evidence. So I
challenge you to investigate the life and teaching of Jesus Christ. I did. I even
took a leap of faith and prayed to Jesus and invited the Holy Spirit into my
heart. It has been a remarkable experience. From the age of 24 to 36 I have
been given a glimpse into my own heart and did not like what I saw. There was
so much pride, deceit, greed and selfishness in my heart that I could not stand
myself. My marriage was failing because of it. So I prayed. I did not think there
was hope. I didn’t want there to be hope. I wanted out of the marriage, so that I
could continue on my selfish path. That seemed like a lot more rewarding at the
time.
God, answers prayers. I did not change my thinking about my wife and my marriage.
I actually felt regenerated after my prayers and let God change me and my marriage.
I will be married 13 years and we have a little one. God is merciful. He took me as I
was and showed me the lies that I had been living and He is rebuilding me every
day.
I have purposely decided to write to you and give you some of my testimony. I don’t
generally write this way. I tend to think evidentially and logically. Trust me, I have
come to belief in Jesus Christ through doing the hard work of investigating the
claims of many religions. I understand the beginnings of the New Age movements and
its origins in the Hindu Mysticism faith. I believe that most New Agers are very
good people and generally seeking a peaceful path. Aurora, I believe you are a
good person. But, there is a deceiver out there. He is not a clever creation to control
peoples thoughts and actions to conform to societal standards and governments. There
is a real spirit world and Jesus warned us about accepting the lies.
Why else would they kill Jesus? He is the Truth. The Truth is the single most powerful
weapon in the universe and the Devil’s trick is to disarm the truth. To render it
impotent. In other words, what’s true for you is not necessarily true for others. The word
has no meaning at this point.
I too enjoy corresponding with you.
Casey
The devil (if there is one) has his hand in everything, and what better pkace to show up than
in an arena where folks are searching for a way. Each and every one of us is on his own
aren’t we. “To thine own self be true.” — “Seek and ye shall find.”
I have studied Wayne Dyer who I find to be highly intellectual and interesting. I have also studied
Deepak Chopra who I found to be dynamic and very useful, pragmatic. I want o discount the
Christian enfluence of my childhood with all it’s pain, and just subscribde to Deepak, but Deepak
lost me when I found him entrebched in left wing POLITICS.. Deepak in politics? I may never get over it.
Dear Casey,
I am so glad that you are speaking from your heart, sharing your own personal experience,
giving the literal, logical mind a rest. To me, it is the real way to talk with someone if you
want to understand and find what is important- the love that connects us. So thank you
for relating in this true way.
I come from a non-religious background and live in a secular society, so religions are
not that important in my life. I haven’t read the whole Bible and don’t know more about
the religious view on Jesus than what the average person here knows. Discussing such
things with me would not take you too far (smiles).
But what you and I clearly have in common is this commitment in wanting to know the
truth about our existence, and the thirst for the highest purity of heart we can reach. If
I had acquired a Christian background like you, we would probably use the same terms,
but even without religious knowledge I find that I recognize a lot of what you describe,
from my own experience. I too have at some point realized that the world is a place of
suffering and that my own heart was not as loving as I wished it to be. I too have chosen
to ask a higher aspect of existence to help me heal the darkness found inside. I too
have received help and guidance in this process, and all my relationships and life have
improved as a result of the greater flow of love I have access to now. We can share
the experience of a heart gradually purified of its pain, and I think we can do it with or
without religious terms.
I also agree with your thought, that the ultimate truth must be one for us all. It is just that
I have learned to not hurry to declare what I’ve found as that ultimate truth, and realize
that we have personal truths that grow and evolve, and which we should hold lightly for
as long as they feel true to us, but ready to release and move on when we have matured
into an even larger, even more loving perspective.
My heart is my teacher, just like Jesus is yours. So if I were Christian, I could probably
say that Jesus is in my heart, guiding me. My heart, or Jesus in my heart if you wish, has
showed me that sin (or guilt, as I experienced it), was a mental concept I used to carry
around, which was a lie. Somehow … the love flowing from the heart became so clear,
that it filled and embraced this entire person, her past, present and future, her struggles
and mistakes, her search in all possible places… and everything she sets eyes on. This
enormous love our hearts are capable of is so powerful and complete that no mental
concepts of right and wrong have a chance to survive in its light. The heart, when fully
open and surrendered to this flow, cannot see anyone as a sinner deserving of suffering.
It cannot judge, it cannot punish, it cannot deem as higher and lower, better and worse.
It can love, and this love is not a passive meaningless gesture… it is the supreme sacred
power of what we might call God. It is what heals us, one after one, what redeems us to
the complete realization of our eternal truth and essence. So if Christians say that Jesus
is the redeemer, I would translate it as Love is the redeemer.
The deceiver has been our own mentally constructed illusion, our own limited perception
of being tiny people, somehow separated and lost from our Source, from the Love.
With this illusion, we have become scared and ready to do all kinds of hurtful things to
get a piece of whatever we thought was taken away from us. We thought that Love
was not here anymore… but it is, no matter what. In fact, there is nothing else.
And of course this is worthless as a belief. But it is what those of us who seek are
searching for, and it is our destiny to find it- as a perceived, lived, experienced reality. I
know it is possible not because I’ve read it somewhere, but because I have
experienced it enough times now to realize that it is my true home. And I’m sure there
is more to explore
So Casey, what I’m proposing is that Jesus, the Truth, is the same as the supreme
power of Love inside our hearts. Love was not killed, it cannot be killed. You can find it in
the center of your own heart, no matter what. Just quiet yourself and go deep enough,
and you’ll find it. True?
Much love to you, your wife and the little one, aurora
Hello, Resected Deepak Chopra (Sir), Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge globally
about your different aspects & research on human psychology, which also makes a common
humanbeing easy to learn more about their eternal & external development of past ,present &
future, to live life more with spirituality, harmony, peace & happiness, acheiving deep devine
desires. I also agree with your point on satan, who is not a myth figure but some how really
surrounded within us, suffering from psychopathic disorders who create problem
within the societies , & as I agree with your point ,that it can be only solved out by
giving them love & emotions having a positive healthy dailouges between the countries,
on the bases of creating a more peacefull environment within, through religous, economical,
educational upliftment, health & care & much more to save this mother earth
which is also still in our hands to make a better place to live for a good & spiritual
future.
Your Heartly Fan
Sanjay
The american people never stops surprising me…
I think I´ve never heard about someone who literally believes in Satan before.
It´s like having an argument whether trolls and goblins exist or not…
Really interesting to see how totally different views we have depending on where we were born and grew up, I think most people in Europe would consider this as a debate that belongs to the history books…
Funny thing it seems is, that we always catch up with the U.S. in Europe after a
few years.
Discussion about intelligent design and evolution is in full progress here…..
I really hope that the U.S. catch up with us this time……
Aurora,
Jesus literally walked on this earth. He actually claimed to be the Son of God. He is
either who he said he was or a deceiver and a liar. He spoke of Love. This is true. But,
Jesus despised evil and sin. I’m curious, if God is not a personal being and he
is a “Force” as you say akin to electricity, what does it mean when you say
this force is Love? Our concept of love is real is it not? We actually feel the
emotion between beings. How does force love?
I believe Jesus thought that Satan was real. Jesus controlled the forces of nature,
healed the sick, raised the dead and resurrected. If this is true that He is a
force to be contended with.
What does your philosophy say about our origins? purpose? destiny? morality? Does it have
solid answers to these questions? Tough questions. You don’t really have to answer them.
I’ll understand if you want to embrace your uncertainty a little longer.
case
Dear Case,
good morning
the same tough questions you ponder have been in my focus for many years,
if not from the day I was born. I don’t have philosophical answers, but answers from my
inner findings and experience. I understand and respect your answers, Case, and also
understand that they are solid, that they satisfy you and have brought you peace.
I am glad for you, and hope the place you have found is as true and real as you want it to be.
I have different answers and I don’t know if you are interested in them, but here
they are, in case you would like to know. They are not final answers, as both questions and
answers mature with any questioner, but they are solid enough to support me to even
broader ones.
Did Jesus literally walk on this earth? I don’t find this to be an important question at
all, so I have never given it much attention. But I think it is very likely that he did exist
as a physical person, so let’s speak of him as such.
Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. My question to you: did he claim to be the
ONLY son of God? Did he not also say “you are gods?”I have no trouble recognizing
what he says as truth, as I know myself to be a daughter of the same God.
He spoke of love and despised evil and sin… hmmm…. You see Case, this sounds
So maybe that’s all we can hear of what Jesus tried to say.
like what most of us do, not like perfect Love. Most people speak of love but
spend their time despising
To me, Jesus is someone in a higher realm of consciousness, where love means
something other than our mundane concepts of love.
Is God a “force” akin to electricity? No, I have found the deepest God outside the entire
universe of matter, energy, forces, etc. God is not a person and not a force. God is
beyond any thought or concept which we could sit here with our cups of tea and speak of.
It flows into this world of time and matter and expresses itself as time, matter and everything
and everyone we see. God is not perceivable with the senses, containable in concepts,
but is intimately knowable by us all, as it is our very source.
Then what is Love, and its power? Love, like Truth, Beauty, Intelligence, Aliveness,
Compassion, Joy, Knowingness, Creativity … is a quality flowing out from that supreme
Source, and as everything flowing from God is …God, these are a form of God very close
to the purest Source . The Love I speak of, and which I think is what Jesus called Love,
is not the same as our mundane concept of love, which is in contrast to hate. Our
mundane concept says “love those who seem right to you and hate those who seem
wrong”. But Jesus talked of pure Love and probably tried to explain by saying things
like “turn the other cheek” and “love thy neighbour as thyself”.He didn’t say “love thy
neighbour only if he isn’t evil in your eyes”, like our mundane concept of love says.
How does God love? Through and as you and me, everyone and everything. Sometimes
in forms very far from the source, distorted forms that we call evil- they only contain a
vague memory of who we are, if any. Sometimes in the much more recognizable form of
the emotion we call love, but also as equality, respect, appreciation, understanding,
kindness, compassion, sharing… and so on.
If our love, our consciousness, our memory of our sorce, is allowed to grow and mature,
it will eventually transform our perception and bring us to the very Source, from where
we will see ourselves and the object of our Love as one.
The power that controls the forces of nature, heals the sick, raises the dead and ressurects
is the power of this pure Love, not of the mundane love which is in contrast to hate. It is the
power of going to the Source of everything, to God, and changing it simply and naturally,
out of pure Love. It is a power with no opponent. Opposing forces of all kinds exist indeed
in the world of time and matter, and they are all natural having their place in the continuous
cycle of creation and destruction, but from the highest point of view accessible to human
beings, they are just a creation of our true source and identity.
Thank you for this dialogue, have a great day !
aurora
This dialogue with all the above participants is a great sketch of the many different
views on religious subjects.
It is interesting to read and keeps ones attention.
It reminds me of the wonderful conversations we had on the IntentBlog during
three years.
So much better than the boring Intent.com where all the daily intentions resemble
one another and do not have much challenge in them to read, let alone to respond to.
I am surprised that so many people believe so strongly in the devil. I thought Deepak was introducing in a good way that we are way past that. Wow!
Aurora writes:
To me, Jesus is the brilliant and amazing example of a
human being who has found this perfect love inside himself, who has faced and healed all
of himself, and who continues to inspire us all to keep remembering who we are.
To that I respond with writings from CS Lewis:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”
You people will be ignorant till the day you die. It’s sad bt its the truth. all of you are the
same as the billions of people before you. people who belive in santan and the bible
just because sombody else told you that it exist and its real. Stop listening to what
everybody else tells you and found out for yourself. Just because Santan isnt real doesnt
mean GOD ISNT REAL. you have to drop the idea that the bible trys to imply that God is a
human like divine being wo Thinks, speaks, walks, and asks question. God in the bible
is powerful and knowlegable. But he certainly is not All powerful and he certainly is not
ALL knowing. An all knowing deity would NEVER have to ask questions he already
would know. am i lying? An All powerful being would not be confined by time. I took the
God in the bible 6 days to create the earth. And afterward he became tired and even
needed to rest. In fact alot of things in the genesis story makes no sense. It quarrels
with facts (things that Cannot be proven wrong) that we are aware of today. Like the fact
that the sun moon nor the star are in the sky of the earth. i geuss you guys belive the
devil is responsible for outerspace huh?. the bible mentions god creating the earth. but
doesnt mention outerspace (somthing infinatly large) or any of the other 8 planets in our
solar system. In fact the bible mentions nothing the could be seen by the human eye in
those time. THINK think people. the author didnt KnoW better. he is Ignorant just like you
If your having issues with what im saying challenge me at Jeray_rivera@yahoo.com.
Leave me a mail and ill send you whatever you need to prove you wrong GARUNTEED
You people will be ignorant till the day you die. It’s sad bt its the truth. all of you are the same as the billions of people before you. people who belive in santan and the bible just because sombody else told you that it exist and its real. Stop listening to what everybody else tells you and found out for yourself. Just because Santan isnt real doesnt mean GOD ISNT REAL. you have to drop the idea that the bible trys to imply that God is a human like divine being wo Thinks, speaks, walks, and asks question. God in the bible is powerful and knowlegable. But he certainly is not All powerful and he certainly is not ALL knowing. An all knowing deity would NEVER have to ask questions he already would know. am i lying? An All powerful being would not be confined by time. I took the God in the bible 6 days to create the earth. And afterward he became tired and even needed to rest. In fact alot of things in the genesis story makes no sense. It quarrels with facts (things that Cannot be proven wrong) that we are aware of today. Like the fact that the sun moon nor the star are in the sky of the earth. i geuss you guys belive the devil is responsible for outerspace huh?. the bible mentions god creating the earth. but doesnt mention outerspace (somthing infinatly large) or any of the other 8 planets in our solar system. In fact the bible mentions nothing the could be seen by the human eye in those time. THINK think people. the author didnt no better. he is Ignorant just like you
If your having issues with what im saying challenge me at Jeray_rivera@yahoo.com. Leave me a mail and ill send you whatever you need to prove you wrong GARUNTEED
PS. DEEPAK ISNT AN ATHEIST YOU DONT NO ANYTHING ABOUT HIM. he belives in a God. The real god. A god who is infinte total. in other words ALL. not some MAN in the sky. God is like us having a soul. a phyiscal body. and a mind. Gods phyiscal body is every thing you can see and touch. mountains, water, palnt life, stars, planets, ALL.
THE UNIVERSE IS INFINITE. THEREFOR KNOWLEDGE IS INFINTE. RELIGION CONFINES AND LIMITS KNOWLEDGE TO YOUR BELIFES. RELIGOUS PEOPL WILL ALWAYS BE IGNORANT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. am i lying?
Jared,
You’re a real intellectual aren’t you?
I think Bart Simpson could put forth a more compelling argument.
Who gives a rip what you “think”.
And why don’t you try using spell check, it might give you a smidgen
more credibility…. At least you’ll won’t come across as such a moron.
I know how to spell asshole. I was rushing when i was typing. either way this isnt A spelling B. the fact i what im saying is true and makes sense. And your trying to get around whats obvious by pointing out meaningless bullshit like spelling.